Again we offer another conversation between the same person and a believer Atea different. As in the previous conversation, the names of those involved have been changed to protect their privacy but the rest of the conversation is totally real. Both characters have just met in a Christian chat and then went to talk to Messenger. Unfortunately, the conversation is a bit long but had to complete play to fully enjoy the conversation, really worth reading it completely and form an opinion of their own. Not attempt to suggest who is right or who's wrong, but in the language and behavior can be elucidated. I think both characters are worthy representatives of their beliefs. We hope that this dialogue we can understand more and more the personalities and mechanisms of action of both believers and atheists. I really have not lost this conversation and is very fun, entertaining and educational The Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards secretly dreams of becoming a librarian, as revealed in a forthcoming autobiography. According forward today the British newspaper The Sunday Times, the musician admits that despite his image as an inveterate rocker, has long cultivated a passion for books which even led him to consider professional trained to manage it has in its homes in England and America. In his biography, which apparently took an advance of $ 7.3 million, says he tried to implement a system used by librarians to order books, including many on the history of rock and World War II. In addition, Richards served as a "public library" to provide copies of the British authors of historical fiction or Len Deighton Bernard Cornwell friends, reports the newspaper. According to The Sunday Times, during his youth in the austere post-war England, rocker took refuge in reading before running into the blues and a guitar. "When you grow, there are two institutions that affect you especially, the Church, which belongs to God, and the library, which belongs to you. The public library is extremely egalitarian." Many believe that the iPhone is a phone castrated, and if true, it is. A priori on the phone can only use what Apple wants you to use. Many have always been imposed barriers and made it clear from the beginning, they would take strict control over all aspects of the phone. But this should not be more important, since in the end it is a simple choice. Each user must define our priorities, weighing pros and cons to make a decision. The choices available are many. Apple is not the only mobile phone manufacturer is making multi-touch devices, there are many greater or lesser extent all are presenting interesting options. But still there are people who want to have an iPhone and choose not to accept the limitations of Apple. I will not try to position myself on should or should not do, really is not a moral issue, though some pretend, just a phone. But is it really the panacea Jailbreak?. I could make myself at the time with an original iPhone shortly after its release in the United States and obviously I had to release it. On leaving the iPhone in Spain, I felt the need to buy and went with EDGE, but after a flat and want to update the phone at the time, I got the 3G. The truth is that we can update the phone at Apple get an update and terminal work very well. But when Apple released the iPhone and was not possible to share the flat rate you were paying religiously with multitouch tablet, I decided to jailbreak to install MyWi on the iPhone. We have to understand at this time that those responsible have to put a Jaibreak We had the opportunity to test a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic, the first (actually, in 2003 launched the Nokia 7710, long ago, does not count) and late foray into the world of Nokia phones with touchscreen. A fairly comprehensive phone configurations (3G, WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0, music player, 3.2MP camera, possible to use touch screen with stylus and plectrum, etc, etc.) Of normal dimensions, and generated many expectations among the public, and many sales accompanying them. Now .. Does the phone meets those expectations (of which, I confess, I was part)? . For that we are here, to resolve this issue and to respond with an analysis as complete as possible. Nokia 5800 XpressMusic When it come waiting a while. After watching many videos on YouTube and pictures and comments on it, I saw it really as a potential iPhone killer, or at least, a phone that would unite both the benefits of the iPhone (concentrated mainly on its touch screen, accelerometer, and management explanatory device) such as Nokia (Symbian operating system that is full of applications, a company with a lengthy track record of producing quality phones, etc..). What also surprised me was the price that went to the Argentine market (at the time only staff, now you can also get Movistar), which is much lower than expected: $ 1000, with the unavoidable and data plan that forces spend about $ 100 a month. A price that competes and wins the iPhone, which costs (or cost, at launch) much more expensive. It has everything one would expect in a high-end phone (although the price may not seem such): 3.2MP camera, music and video player, WiFi, 3G, touchscreen, sufficient storage (the terminal I tried it at least came with an 8GB MicroSD memory), so all that remains to be seen is how they work and get along with each other. Unlike a metal design that can be found on phones like the iPhone or the Innov8, this phone is made of plastic. Black plastic, and glossy, which makes it easy on the phone dial our fingers greasy, so it gets dirty easily. The design is quiet, not extravagant, so do not call too much attention (unless it is used with the stylus, of course, it's always something interesting to see). Looks like a solid phone, but makes me wonder how many plastic falls may sustain without marked. It measures 111 x 51.7 x 15.5 mm, slightly longer, thinner and narrower than the Innov8. It is a size that is well in hand, does not protrude, and is not uncomfortable in his pockets. Naturally, it is much thicker than the iPhone, but also more narrow (the iPhone's screen is 3.5 "while the Nokia 5800 is 3.2"). The following images show that has a standard size in all, less than bulky handsets such as the G1, iPhone and Nokia N91. The screen of 3.2 "has a resolution of 640×360 .. yes, 16:9, beautiful for WideScreen videos, plus the 16 million colors, gives a very good image quality (which perhaps is not noticeable to the naked eye the dark / darkie / emo theme that comes by default). The processor is an ARM 11 369mhz (more powerful than the 330MHz ARM 11 of the Innov8 and the ARM 9 264mhz the N96, though the latter has a dual processor ). The internal memory is paltry (close to 80mb), but the 8Gb microSD should be more than enough (and if not, we can always extend it to a 16GB). touch screen, resistive gets dirty very easily as can see from the pictures above, so you have to clean constantly (equal, is a notorious dirt especially when the screen is off, if it is turned on, not bothering too much). Being resistive screen has to be pressed more force than an iPhone for example to react (probably due also to an interface problem, because actions can be performed with two short blasts and one long). What I do not like is that if you tighten with force feels that the screen goes down, making it look pretty weak. To help with the touch screen is a pencil (placed in the back of the phone), used to more accurately handle (besides being able to write with it) . With respect to buttons and connectors, not too many, the on / off at the top of the phone, next to the headphone input (standard input, 3.5 ") the micro USB to connect to the computer and the charger input, in the right section, a slider button that locks the keyboard of the device (very useful), another button that allows quick access to the camera, and two more buttons to control volume. On the left, tickets for the microSD card (comes one included, 8Gb) and the SIM chip. In the front of the phone, three buttons, to meet / make calls (green button) to enter the menu (white button), and to return to home phone / cancel calls (red button). I'm very pleased with the design of this phone. There is something I find annoying is that the audio jack is on top (in my Nokia 5700, is at the bottom), and I will explain why. By removing the phone from his pocket, then take it out "up", because it's like is the cable, and once put my hand in front of me, I have the phone upside down, so I have to turn it around. Could grab the phone differently so that I may be in the correct position, but it is a very unnatural way to grab it, and would require twisting my hand in rare forms. It may sound bullshit, but it's something that caused me annoyance every time I took the phone in my pants. Another thing I dislike is the use of those plastic covers on the connectors, with my (null) nails it difficult for me to open them. Removal of the SIM chip is also quite uncomfortable, as it requires removing the battery to push it. Yes, the phone is usually common to remove the SIM has to remove the battery .. but then, what a way to get to the SIM without removing the battery? I do not see much sense. The phone has two cameras, one for video calls at the front, and the other to take pictures, at the rear. The camera is 3.2MP (3.15MP indeed), and takes pictures with a resolution of 2048×1536 pixels. A Carl Zeiss lens, autofocus, LED flash and complete it. Be careful with how you take a phone to take pictures when, as the lens being so close to the frame of it is quite possible that we end slipping a finger in the picture. I think this is the part of the phone that there is not much room for improvement (the only improvement is that the phone can work as it should), I had no problem with respect to the connection to speak or to messaging text (and if I had, for example, was to have been in a floor 24, where it is difficult to receive, or in very close). Symbian is typical of late is that slip through a text message to another, and Fabio mentioned it several times, but from what I have understood is something that also occurs in the iPhones (or happening, at least at some point) , SMS just slow to load. The address book is also the usual Symbian, using the phone's memory has virtually unlimited storage (because they are text-only), and entries on the agenda are very complete, containing fields that will probably never use it. Something new in this phone s the possibility of the Home of the same, instead of direct access buttons, 4 buttons representing 4 of our contacts, and hence we can view the history of communications from them, send SMS and quickly call and see what they went by them on social networks lately (something I could not test because I have no data plan, but it certainly looks like. The main camera, as we said, is 3.2MP, with autofocus, and comes with a dual LED flash. Access to camera mode very easily with a button located next to the phone, allowing you to take pictures quickly. The same button is used to take pictures, gently pressing autofocus is performed first and then takes the picture, holding it down is accomplished by taking the picture instantly, without focus. can also use a button on the touch screen to take a picture, making the zoom (zoom adjustable by scroll on the touch screen is pretty good), choose the photo mode, etc.. Looking at the photos we see that the camera quality is superior and better resolution compared to Nokia 5700, but falls short when compared with the Olympus C5060wz something totally expected since it is 2.0 and 5.0MP cameras, respectively. However, it is visible that the Nokia 5800 camera saturates the colors a bit more than other cameras, enhances, and makes them more "vivid". All in all a camera is quite normal, enough to take pictures as long as there is plenty of light. Indoors and dark, and beginning to be quite noisy (it shows the photo of the parrot, for example) that despite having a double flash, does not solve it. With respect to the making of video, naturally follows the same provision of the camera: during daylight, everything goes well. If we start filming in a place that has no natural light, the quality decreases much. Being an XpressMusic series phone from Nokia, we know that is a device-oriented multimedia, audio and video. In terms of audio there are not many surprises, is a well-rounded player with ability to create playlists, search through the songs either by album, artist or their behalf has equalizers, stereo widening, etc.. If I was upset in the audio menu that contains all the songs symbian interface, but that will be for that Section. I noticed that despite being a phone XpressMusic, had no buttons on the sides to help the reproduction of music, except the volume (which also serve to those calls). As far as wanting to change songs inevitably had to unlock the phone, access to the player, and change it could have put some buttons on the frame (like all others in the series) to help. You can also use the headset that comes with the phone, but discomfort / I did not fear to break it to use it. The phone also includes headphones, I did not use for the same reason that the handsfree (and also no change to my Sennheiser for nothing). As mentioned, the 16:9 screen phone is ideal for watching videos. It comes preloaded with several videos of The Killers and Batman trailer looks very good. The phone also comes with an output cable TV / Audio, so we can connect to a TV. Yet That, plus the 8GB microsd, we have a very cute movie player and very portable. Yes I noticed that the video output to connect the phone began to respond to the actions of slower, but nothing major. Unlike Nokia 5700 that it could hold a "crossed" with the rotating section thereof, and the N96 which has a bracket around the camera, the Nokia 5800 comes with a plastic stand apart, used to support the phone and see some video without having to be holding in his hand. The Nokia 5800 also has stereo speakers (which are well hidden, not visible to the naked eye), very good quality (much better than the Nokia 5700). However, I found that a peak was not as strong (or I was expecting something stronger than 5700), and in environments with a little noise was difficult to hear something. As befits a phone of this range, the Nokia 5800 offers the possibility of to use both Wi-Fi (802.11b / g) and 3G (HSDPA 850/1900 American version, 900/2100). Again, having a data plan, I could not knowingly and voluntarily-test-how to the network 3G. Yes I used quite the WiFi, which I found to have a good performance, but few other problems. Sometimes I thought that the WiFi network was disconnected and the phone began to use the 3G .. without warning, which agigantó my phone bill. This should be changed, the only "notice" that you get is an icon change to 3G antenna, but even no way to prevent that from happening. finally managed (after having spent quite in data) to find a way to use only. Another issue I noticed with WiFi is that despite having no connection, sometimes appears to stay connected to the same network (even if the network is not available .. ie literally move miles and continue to show the network that we used before). Playing off does not disconnect, and the only solution is to connect to another network to clear the previous one. The GPS is another of the features of this phone that I could not prove for not having a data plan, but I can say it is a A-GPS (assisted GPS, better than the common GPS), and apparently doing quite well, and works with Nokia Maps. The Nokia 5800 comes with two sets, Bounce and Global Race Racing Thunder. Personally, I did not like either game, I think can be improved a lot, but I must admit that serve to demonstrate the capacity and special features of this phone (accelerometer and touchscreen in the If the car game, the Global Race Racing Thunder, and the touchscreen in the case of Bounce). With the battery had a very particular problem: it moved into its container, so depending on the position could not come into contact apagándome fully .. the phone. It's very curious, I sense that the metal where the battery ahce contact will be "folded" or something, but good, luck is something that happened to me when I was finishing up the phone and not try affected me too (although it was extremely annoying). And this, I think, is the most important and that more attention should be paid to the phone. Nokia still has the same interface problems that always criticize the Symbian OS, S60. An interface slow, it takes to load, sometimes you do not know if hung or what happened to the phone (for example, the iPhone always tries to display a symbol of "loading", or do animations to avoid giving the impression "loading"). In the case of transitions between vertical and horizontal accelerometer, the phone at first has no animation, making it seem very slow. However, there is an option, disabled by default, which makes an animation during the transition, making it less tedious. Problems that Samsung was able to solve for example in the Innov8. For Nokia 5800, its interface is the same as previous Nokia phones. As a TouchScreen phone, you'd think should having completely redesigned, but it was not, just there are some adaptations, in essence remains the same, and this plays very much against the phone. There are things that are not "natural" for what one expects from a phone with TouchScreen. For example, the form of "scrolled" (slip) between the contacts / songs / applications. One has a scroll bar in a small room on the right side of the phone, and the bar does not allow such precision as one would have to scrolled on the finger on the screen. This becomes a big problem if you have many songs or contacts as frustrating the end user, who ends up preferring to use the search before the scroll (which is not always the most useful / practical / necessary). Another problem of the interface, is that "takes" to respond to a touch (either with your finger or stylus). You can do "double click", or maintain a single click for a while, for actions are applied, resulting in a "waste of time." The phone just to let us know that he realized our actions, give us a little vibration, which is useful to clear doubts. The home (main screen) of phone is quite interesting. Apart from the possibility of the power strip / shortcuts, we can access the calendar (see the notes that we have done for the day / days close), enter the clock / alarm, see the different types of connections (WiFi, USB, etc..). This is very good and useful, things that appeared at a "static" (like the clock, networks) in the home, can now be easily accessed by clicking on them. Something I did not understand, is that in all sections of the phone other than the screen, the battery appeared to me a line with less. Very curious .. The general configuration of the phone I found difficult, unclear, with difficulty to find the options I wanted (in the case of what to use to connect to the Internet, for example). We must recognize the importance that Nokia is giving all that is Web from their phones, so it sends and the factory the phone with many interesting applications. Besides containing in the "Web" links to many phone services OVI Suite, there were also direct links to go to Facebook, MySpace, and YouTube, which saves a lot of time to when visiting those sites (which as we know, usually several hours). The phone interface provides us with different methods of text entry, a Qwerty keypad (for phone set to "vertical", normal), a full keyboard Qwerty (which fills the screen in landscape mode), text recognition mode (with stylus), and alphanumeric keypad. None of these modes see it handy for when you're walking. always cost me enter text while walking, which on a phone with the regular keyboard I can do without looking, I suppose that after several hours of flight with the 5800 this is easily learned. I liked the method of text recognition with the stylus, made me use a Palm, no But my handwriting prevents me from getting a decent speed with this method of text entry. qwerty keyboard is very mini, so you have to be fairly accurate to use. The full QWERTY keyboard, full-screen and allows you to "miss" a little more than the mini keys, and anyway, I was slow loading of the keyboard (transition between the screen where we were and keyboard). Something that is very good and striking, and is a gesture good on the phone: the closer to the ear, the accelerometer captures the movement and the screen turns off automatically to save load. As soon as one gets you away from it, the screen turns back on in order to successfully complete calls. The conclusion will depend on what expectations to have a take and use the phone. In my case, I was very excited about it, it finally looked like the iPhone Killer continually predict that all but never comes. Unfortunately, as I presonal opinion say that if I have to compare it with an iPhone, in all devices, the loser, and not enough. This need not be an obstacle to deciding which phone to buy: Nokia 5800 is still an excellent phone, with lots of options, very well worked (missing several improvements, especially the interface and the camera, which are things that Nokia needs to improve for some time). It is also much cheaper than the iPhone, making it even more so in an excellent option. If your life does not want anything to do with an iPhone then definitely, this may be your phone. It's pretty cheap ($ 1000 both Movistar and Personal, with plans for $ 100 per month), has has TouchScreen, camera 3.2MP, WiFi, 3G, 8GB of memory, plays many formats of music and video, in short, everything you mentioned earlier in the article, at a price that makes it difficult to find in other articles with similar characteristics. must note that is one of the first mass Nokia phones with touch screen, and yet have achieved a very good job, I hope to improve in future versions. Surely some of them are touchscreen Connectivity-> Destinations-> INTERNET and there have of course previously defined access points to leave the corresponding data packet last (to first connect to the WiFi networks detected and preconfigured and ultimately the 3G which is consumed by the credit) . In last place would be to enter the access point for that data packet and in last place in the list of options is called "use access point" configure with the option "AFTER CONFIRMATION." I have great doubt I'm about to upgrade my N5800 as I do to keep the programs that come from factory? bone is concervan? or erased if I upgrade, I was told that pq is cleared and to avoid losing them to make a back up but do not know if after support . friend the warranty is not lost perdii almenor I did not, my firm is varsion of version 50.0.005 is very good also my cel sounds stronger and more enchulado the music player to my taste I saludoss. ke wave hello, I have cellulose and this is wonderful, and I was riding great, but as soon as the RM 356 50.0.005 actalice could not access the music player from the main menu! a re Bajon che! someone tell me how I to change it??? ah over the volume of parlanter as volume fell ke good ……. thanks. Hi all, I tell them my problem, 9 months ago to buy the nokia, it makes days ago set the alarm, when I disconnect, I'm branded screen, multi-colored flashing me and therefore I had to … well lugo sacarl battery of this action did not turn on again, with l charger is on (vibrates), if the kuz solamnte charger turns on the screen and nothing ¿? … If anyone knows anything please help! .. but before carrying Ahun sericio technical,. I tradado of flasharlo, change the version etc, etc m .. impossible .. any information is welcome! thanks for the space. the data d battery that moves m served, but not the problem. grax!!!. Pretty sure that yes, music in almost all phones now often come across as a "background process", one listen while doing other things in them. Hi all, I tell them my problem, 9 months ago to buy the nokia, it does set the alarm days ago, when I disconnect, I'm branded screen, multi-colored flashing me and therefore I had to … well lugo sacarl battery of this action did not turn on again, with l charger on (vibrating) if the charger solamnte kuz lights the screen and nothing ¿? … If anyone knows anything please help! .. but before carrying Ahun sericio technical,. I tradado of flasharlo, change the version etc. , etc. and m .. impossible .. any information is welcome! thanks for the space. the data d battery that tomtom one système de navigation moves m served, but not the problem. grax!!!. It has emerged a problem with nokia 5800 xp music, that I can not fix it. Until a while ago could easily connect to home wifi via mobile, but not what happened if I touched something incorrectly, but the case is which now gives me the option to turn off wlan and start again, now I get a message that says WLAN is already active. Close it and try again. PLEASE SOMEONE COULD TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE RECORDING OF A VIDEO IN HIGH QUALITY TV STOPS FOR 30 MINUTES. THAT I HAVE THE NAVIGATOR VERSION. With respect to 5800 I used "long" and do not remember much. I had no complaints about the clarity of the audio and it sounded great (although I can not tell how well). Here you have info on a forum that specializes in music, say the Nokia 5800 is the best sounding (and compare with the Walkman). I have it grabs 7 months and is a spectacle and the gps either walk the way I drive works great, as wifi function q q the probe in brazil oviamente q q out much cheaper to use international roaming. Greetings, I wonder if anyone has knowledge about the failures of the display with vertical bars or horizontal. I'm about to buy a phone from them but that little detail stop me. I have scared of losing my money. Some forums say to put a magnet near the headset works, which in some videos on youtube is apparently true , others say that updating the firmware to v50 corrects the fault. WHAT TO DO?: s Thanks for your responses. GREAT REVIEW. Very good post .. I congratulate male On the spot, the cel is to use it. I user of a N95, I give ¨ ¨ WASCA and never pass anything, will by q is Nokia? Greetings people and do not hesitate to brand. I was amazed by nokia but ojalas take out a nuvo nokia model so you can earn IPHONE I see nothing of interest in that cell and you can walk down the street with the phone because if it gets stolen no better this this phone my dad has it and I'll buy me too xD. 3g amd android apple asus ati Argentina blackberry camera arm Cell Phones future consoles games google intel iphone launch linux microsoft motorola mp3 netbook nokia notebook nvidia processor playstation ps3 review sony tablet samsung video phone wifi windows xbox.